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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:07 pm
by crazyneosimpson
The big difference in CDI modules is how they trigger. Most flywheel magneto systems use a small "pulser" coil outside the flywheel to trigger the spark. This is how the P200 works. These need a power wire, kill wire, trigger wire and an earth, called 3 connection plus earth.
The system the R185 uses is internally triggered, that is triggered by the coil inside the flywheel. Power, kill and earth, called 2 connection plus earth.
The red CDI module is not ducati, in fact it is not quite the same either. It is missing a connection the kill switch! Not a problem though, just short the power through a suitable resistor.

Are you snowed in or something? This is a looong thread!
I usually use Yenntai coils, but I'm looking at buying a locally imported chineese product so I can just go and get them off the shelf. I haven't been doing so many conversions latley.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:44 am
by JPXman
thanks for the insight! Yes I am snowed in as a matter of fact - I'm working diligently on my skiis to escape the snowy earth... i did my first "fit test" of my skiis today, fit very well. now to rivet "krazy karpet" on the bottom and wax with some kind of plastic wax - and then figure out how to attach the ski to the wheel...

I find evenings/winter is when i get a lot of the background work done for lazair modifications - lots of reading and research. I have to or I would go crazy - I haven't been able to fly my lazairs very much but I am finally at the cusp of flying the 2-seater regularly.

So crazyneo, is there an off the shelf CDI unit you can recommend for the rotax 185? I will be calling some ducati guys tomorrow to see if i can find the module that comes in the wildfire kit. I have a pair of 185's collecting dust, so I want to get them all tuned up with CDI and redrives this year for my 3rd lazair that I'll be putting on floats...


PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:36 am
by ola
tyler,is that a pice of a dead bear on the floor..........

nice skiis.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:16 pm
by JPXman
ha! no those are my mitts - moosehide and rabbit fur. was -20C that day, brrrrrrr


PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:14 pm
by JPXman
ok back on topic:

I just got off the phone with my local wildfire guy, and he is selling me JUST THE MODULE BOX for $125 Canadian. So I ordered one.

So, now all I need is to get my hands on the coil that goes on the inside for cheap, so I can unwind it and then wind it back up...

anybody want to lend me their CDI inner coil? hard to ask, but if I break it I'll buy you a new one :) Trying to do this mod on the cheap - I'm willing to take this to the next step and try and get this going on my spare 185's for cheap.

With that, and determining the proper locations to re-drill the stator plate, we should have cheap CDI conversion...

Anybody? bueller?


PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:16 pm
by crazyneosimpson
Off the shelf? There is one place thats worth a try, AET tolmin in slovenia, Peter used to look after me there but they are manufacturers, not retailers.
If you really want to do the best CDI conversion, then find a place to mount an external trigger. There are lots of different ways of doing this and it would mean spending less than $50 per engine for a complete conversion. Get a stator for a pitbike and find a place to mount the trigger coil, that will get you a lot of options.

However before anyone removes their CDI ignitor coil if you would get a few measurements with your multimeter.
All voltage measurements are from the green wire into the CDI module to earth and will be AC voltage.
Voltage with the engine running at idle, my estimate is 20-35V
Voltage with engine running at or near max, maybe 100V
Voltage with the plug removed but grounded whilst pullstarting! (yes we all have six hands here in Australia)
The last two are ohms from green wire to earth and the diameter or guage of the enameled wire coil.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:52 pm
by JPXman
oh for sure, I'll characterize everything (i was a former electrical engineer). maybe I'll call the local wildfire guy and talk him out of an igniter coil as well - i want to avoid having to pay for a stator plate and flywheel that I don't need.

What I'm envisioning is determining where to drill the holes on the stator plate, and then making a tool to bolt to a stator plate, same diameter as the stator plate, made of 1/2" steel, with the same mounting holes. then there will be the three new holes for the locations to drill your original stator plate. Drill through the tool and you're done.

Then people can just order this module (once i find a place to get it), and I'll have the requirements to rewind your igniter coil and I can mail you this tool to make your new holes.

all easier said than done, but i'll give it a shot. nothing better to do (other than finish building skiis)....


PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:48 am
by crazyneosimpson
The other place to mount a trigger coil would be inside the the rotor.
Without the points and condenser would there be enough room for a pulser?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:21 pm
by JPXman
picked up my stator plate and CDI low tension coil today, and saw that wildfire has a new cylinder head out for the 185 - with a hole in the head for the decompression valve and a new valve design altogether.

the whole assembly can be yours for $261 Can as shown in the following pdf

(for some reason the site's http:// doesn't work... couldn't hyperlink this so cut and paste for now)


PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:19 am
by bdiedenhofen
I gave up on the old decompression valves because they kept failing on me. I sure do miss the ease of starting though. A new valve design sounds great. I wonder if it might fit into the existing hole on the older engines?

Brian D.